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simonw
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/02/2011 : 11:21:07
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I've had my intermontana corn for over 11 years. It was sold as a corn but several google searches have revealed it's also called a dwarf corn and a great plains ratsnake.
1. Does anyone know for sure whether this is a corn, it certainly is shorter and girthier than any other corn I've seen?
2. If I were to breed this him with an Amel, what would the offspring be?
3. Is it a no-no to crossbreed like this, and will there be less of a market for the offspring compared to a normal x amel breeding?
Thanks
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Benji54
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 13:03:19
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im not 100% so a better answer will come from a breeder but i think im right in saying that a corn snake (of any morph) is elepha guttata guttata whereas a Great plains ratsnake is Elepha guttata emorya, suggesting it IS a slightly different species at genetic level. so would not be a true corn snake. that said, i AM terrible with morphs and info so maybe the last part of the true name is always changed for morphs...just thought id try and help really lol!
dunno what the offspring would be...A HannahMontana corn snake? sorry that was stupid...
good luck im sure someone with a bit more breeding knowledge will be along soon! :) |
1.1.0 corns "wotsit" and "biscuit"
1.0.0 Royal "ophion"
0.1.0 Coastal Carpet Python "Serendipity"
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Obsidian"
0.1.0 Bunny Rabbit (?) "truffle"
R.I.P "Prisma Pequeno" |
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Figs
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3319 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 14:37:13
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According to my googling, your dwarf corn is a different (sub?)species than true corn and great plains rats.
Corns are E. guttata guttata, great plains rats are E. guttata emoryi, and dwarfs are apparently E. guttata intermontana
1. Do you have a photo? Not that i'd be able to tell for sure or anything, i'm just nosey lol
2. Not 100% on my genetics, but think breeding him to an amel corn would give you intergrades (which i believe is sort of like a hybrid but comes from different subspecies, not different species entirely?) that would carry the corn amel gene but not show it.
3. There are quite a few hybrid and intergrade breeders out there so there must be a market for them. If you did breed them you would have to mark the babies are NOT pure corn to make sure they arent bred back to corns in the future and those babies are claimed as pure corns... if that makes sense
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simonw
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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Benji54
Hatchling
United Kingdom
449 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 15:19:53
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yeah doesnt look like a corn to me, more like a true ratsnake. its got that chunkier look and that slight "eyebrow". The orange corn is really cute, it looks terrified of jacob lol! both nice looking snakes (neither look much like hannah montana so thats at least ruled that out... ) |
1.1.0 corns "wotsit" and "biscuit"
1.0.0 Royal "ophion"
0.1.0 Coastal Carpet Python "Serendipity"
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Obsidian"
0.1.0 Bunny Rabbit (?) "truffle"
R.I.P "Prisma Pequeno" |
Edited by - Benji54 on 05/02/2011 15:20:46 |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 19:00:52
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Its not a corn, the head is the wrong shape, your best bet of a proper ident. is to do a scale count, both head scales and body scales.
you can also count the saddles and belly checkers, and compare with a great plains and corn. My guess is you wont get a specific answer as its most likely a hybrid.
If you breed to the Amel, you will only get hets for amel. Its entirely possible its got 3 different species there, which may account for size, although its becoming more and more common for dwarf corns. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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simonw
Hatchling
United Kingdom
128 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 19:06:39
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| That's interesting, I'll count them in a few days. Do you think there would be any demand for any offspring? I've only ever seen one other snake like this one IRL. |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 21:20:16
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depending on which page on google you read intermontanas are either a sub species of cornsnake, emoryi ratsnake, or a species of its own so thats not much help :(
as for demand for hybrid hatchies thats all a question of personal preference. I personally wouldn't touch one. I think your best bet would be through pet shops who seem to buy anything that is the right price but then theres always the chance of them being labelled as 'dwarf corns' which leads to even more confusion for average joe public that just wants a snake, then gets hooked and wants to know more and more. |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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simonw
Hatchling
United Kingdom
128 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 23:12:31
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| Thanks. I think I'll stick with my original pairing in that case: Normal (with unknowns) x Amel (with unknowns). |
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Intermontana Corn Snake
