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oakleyman18
Yearling
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 Posted - 05/12/2010 : 10:24:34
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Hi all!!
I've been browsing various websites (mainly iansvivarium) looking for advice forst first time breeders. I think I know everything I need to do, but just a few questions quickly...
1) How soon after the male is introduced do you think they will begin to mate?
2) Gene related - What morphs are dominant- ie, I have a normal corn, unsure at to any hets, but would like to try and get a clutch of various different types... What sort of male should I look for to achieve this?
3) Does anyone near Leicester/Nottingham/Midlands have a male they'de like to stud out? ;)
Cheers guys and girls!
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Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 10:55:55
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As far as Im aware normal is the only dominant morph, this isnt forced to be right though. And as for not knowing hets, there are likely to be average ones ie amel, anery etc. so as far as what you will get, any morph with lots of hets like that I THINK will give you anery, amel, snows, and whatever else. TBH Im not certain and it would strongly depend on your snakes hets, but the more hets in the male you pair her with the more chance of getting loads of pretty colours!
Please take in mind that this is what I think, I cannot at all be sure but this is hopefully a small push in the right direction. :/ Sorry if it is completely wrong though.
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 11:53:53
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Dominant wise, only tessera i think is dominant, the rest are simple recessives.
you cant assume that your snake has hets, there are still plenty of normal normals out there.
Unless you have a LOT of disposable income to spend on a tessera then you are not guaranteed to get anything other than normals with whatever you pair the snake with.
With recessives both snakes have the carry the same genes for the chance of anything other than a normal, and as there are so many difference morphs about, the chances of having a male with the same genes as your female are fairly slim.
There is a chance that she is carrying the snow genes ( amel and anery), as they are the most commonly bred, but thats not to say that its a guarantee, they hets could be butter, stripe, motley.......... anything.
If you want guaranteed morph babies, then you need a morph female to the same morph male, anything else is pot luck.
Mating wise, males are impatient, a proven male will go for it quite quickly, my male bloodred to the ghost was over in 2 minutes from introducing him, however, my ultra didnt know what to do, and he failed, so its down to the male and females willingness to breed more than anything. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 12:37:48
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Are there any really good books that explain genetics in an idiot proof way? Something that could be recommended for understanding dominant/resessive/hets etc, etc? Any suggestions..... |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
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Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 12:55:58
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I found that I learnt everything that I know through learning about genetics in biology. I found it easier to learn about genetics then apply it, it helped me to learn what I needed in biology to be able to apply it to something that really interests me. :)
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 14:11:01
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Awesome link - thanks eeji! Just outa curiosity (  ) where can you get Tessera's in the UK? I've seena few places that sell them in the US, alas I'm not sure they'd be happy with a 12hr plane journey! |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 15:28:51
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there are a few in the uk but they are only a very recent addition over here so probably none for sale just yet :(
Keep an eye out though, because thay are dominant there will be more and more babies appearing once the breeding starts and the price will fall like a rock just as it did with ultramel based morphs, eg. a few years ago a golddust would cost you a few hundred and now you can get one really cheap :) |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 15:42:58
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Oh wow. Just checked out the Tessera,absolutely beautiful.
Good luck finding one!! Thats a snake for my future collection I think |
      
3.1.0 Corn snakes, 1.0.0 T-Albino Cape House Snake, 0.1.0 Western Hognose,
1.0.0 MBK, 0.1.0 Childrens Python, 1.0.0 Nicaraguan Dwarf Boas
0.0.1 Occelated Skink, 1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, 1.0.3 Tarantulas, 0.0.2 Damon diadema
1.0.0 C0ckatiel,
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 16:38:59
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Its part of my wishlist too! Id love one! :P
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 12:04:39
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Understanding how the genetics works takes time.
If you want to learn more then you can Google it, it will show you punnet squares and explain simple recessives.
Once you get your head round the basics, it becomes quite easy, then gthe. tricky bit is working out percentages, that's fun. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 16:53:48
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I think learning genetics is the easiest part, its knowing heterzygous homozygous dominant recessive etc! :P Thats where I always get lost! I love genetics though, I have always found them interesting. Go me! Super nerd!! ;)
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:16:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Tiffany-x
I think learning genetics is the easiest part, its knowing heterzygous homozygous dominant recessive etc! :P Thats where I always get lost! I love genetics though, I have always found them interesting. Go me! Super nerd!! ;)
Tiffany-x
thats all genetics, knowing what they are is very easy, especially in corns, as nearly everything is recessive.
Learning how they work, and what they do is a whole new ball game.
learning how a recessive works can be difficult, and learning how a triple recessive works and can pan out is even more tricky.
then you can mix recessives with dominants and co-dominants, and its gets even worse. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:40:27
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Haha, too right! :P If only it was simple, this plus this makes this and that is that! :P
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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