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chrish
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 31/10/2010 : 15:51:14
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Thought this had the potential to make an interesting debate...
Please remember these are peoples personal opinions and therefore are neither right or wrong! 
My View:
Im personally not comfortable with the idea of my nextdoor neighbour being allowed to keep a king cobra in his house (he doesnt, its just an example!), from what i understand all they really have to do to get a dwa licence is pay the council a wedge of money and pass a vet inspection...now that doesnt make them capable of looking after such a dangerous animal. Im sure that there are many very responsible and very capable keepers in this country who do keep venemous reptiles but im also sure there are some incredibly irresponsible and uncapable ones too!
I think they're beautiful animals but best left in the wild.
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Kehhlyr
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 16:23:58
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Where I live is nearly all elderly people, the only people on my road that are under 60 is me, the missus and my daughter.
All the neighbours know I keep snakes, some have even enjoyed the visits with them. They have all however asked that important question "Are any of them poisonous?" I tend to ignore the fact they say poisonous, and answer them by telling them that none of them are dangerous unless they're a small rodent.
Usually the response I get is along the lines of "that's good then. Evidently they wouldn't be keen on me having dangerous reps either but don't mind my so called harmless ones.
I wouldn't have an issue with a neighbour having DWA if they wanted, the inspections that are needed to pass before DWA is given here is fairly strict in regards area where the snakes (assuming DWA for snakes only) are going to be kept.
A double doored, completely escape proof brick and concrete building that's built seperately to any other building is one of the criteria for DWA reptiles here. |
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 16:38:44
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
Where I live is nearly all elderly people, the only people on my road that are under 60 is me, the missus and my daughter.
All the neighbours know I keep snakes, some have even enjoyed the visits with them. They have all however asked that important question "Are any of them poisonous?" I tend to ignore the fact they say poisonous, and answer them by telling them that none of them are dangerous unless they're a small rodent.
Usually the response I get is along the lines of "that's good then. Evidently they wouldn't be keen on me having dangerous reps either but don't mind my so called harmless ones.
I wouldn't have an issue with a neighbour having DWA if they wanted, the inspections that are needed to pass before DWA is given here is fairly strict in regards area where the snakes (assuming DWA for snakes only) are going to be kept.
A double doored, completely escape proof brick and concrete building that's built seperately to any other building is one of the criteria for DWA reptiles here.
Is that right? Cos if so, my local rep shop aint licenced. He keeps diffrent poisonous snakes including a puff adder in normal vivs.
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 16:43:34
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From what I understand of it DWA criteria varies from county to county, also pretty sure shops and domestics property rules are different.
I wouldn't have a problem with any of my neighbours keeping venomous or DWA pets, so long as they et all the criteria.
My neighbours on the other hand are well cheesed of we have a dog and cat, so they are never invited round for a cuppa they are anti animals full stop. |
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mikeyd_26
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 17:20:53
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as long as the person was capable of looking after the animal, i think it would be pretty cool to live next door to a king cobra!!!
And just to get the debate going! - I think they're beautiful animals but best left in the wild.
couldnt this be true for all snakes? would they be happier/more comfortable in the wild been free and all that??? |
   
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lee2308
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 17:46:02
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| getting a dwa licence is not as easy as you would think,like kehhlyr said your need a room dedicated to them and needs to be double doored and total sealed,the you have to prove to a inspector that you know your stuff and can handle the snake properly ect,permits are not given out willy nilly |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 18:01:27
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Dogs are far more of a potential danger to kids etc than venemous snakes kept by DWA licensed keepers imo.
Any idiot can but a dangerous, agressive dog, but DWA keepers are guaranteed to be responsible, experienced and safe. |
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chrish
Hatchling
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 18:34:38
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Maybe its just the stigma associated with a venemous snake that makes me feel uncomfortable about it because i have no issue with someboy keeping a 12ft boa and i should imagine they could also do quite a bit of harm!
As Gmac said and from what i can find out the regulations are different for each council, it would appear that not all require you to have a solid room with a double door entry system. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 18:57:50
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I did think about one day getting a wolf-dog hybrid or one of those jungle cats, many years on, but I wouldn't have the time for one most likely plus I'm not really in a good area for experienced vets as it is. My b/f really want a caiman or anything in the kind of crocodile/alligator family. If he had enough room and money I'm sure if he wasn't with me that he would get one. XD
I don't have a problem having a DWA, so long as they have the actual license and stick my them rules. So far that I know of, no-one had been killed by an animal on the DWA list so it goes to show that they are a reposonsible group, and I hope it stays that way as it will only take one idiot and then the newpaper will catch wiff and then theer will be lots of angry, crazy people.
If you think about it, at some point in even keeping a corn there will be at least one day you get hissed, rattled at or even bitten and they are considered docile snakes. If you have a King Cobra or something, you have to be prepared for that one day it could bite you because you slip up. |
  
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:03:05
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Steve, the pet shops dont have a specific DWA licence, their petshop licence counts as DWA as long as they are declared.
also, it does depend a lot on the area, as G says different councils have different rules on how they should be secured.
If the shop you go to has unsecured hots then you are well within your rights to contact the council and express your concerns, they will look into it.
Things like Puff Adders are very dangerous!!
Chris, i dont think its as straight forward as applying and getting, it may vary from council to council, but here you have to have a mentor for a while so you can get used to handling and keeping, they then have to sponsor you to get the licence.
I dont know how it works with neighbours and such, but if they are kept properly and within the regulations of the licence, i dont think they can take the licence away because someone isnt happy about it.
If its something that is worrying you, or someone you know, then the best bet would be to have a chat with the council about it, and see where you stand.
The theory is, if kept properly, it should be impossible for the snake to escape into the local area, however, it doesnt take into account irresponsibility and stupidity, which is sadly quite abundant, even with hots. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:13:29
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
If you think about it, at some point in even keeping a corn there will be at least one day you get hissed, rattled at or even bitten and they are considered docile snakes. If you have a King Cobra or something, you have to be prepared for that one day it could bite you because you slip up.
I wouldn't be brave enough to own one myself, slipping and getting bitten is one thing, but potentially dying because of a slip to me is too big a risk. In the same way I wouldnt put my arm in a lion cage I wouldn't a king cobra either. If my neighbour owned a snake like that or any large potentially harmful snake I would be worried for my little dog if it was to escape but I think I'd have the sense to keep well away from an escaped snake irrelevant of breed, let the professionals/the owner deal with it |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:15:38
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Don't see why it should bother the neighbours tbh. It's not like it would live in their house. If the animal somehow appear on their door mat or is seen free roaming, then they can complain.
I wonder what would happen if a DWA animal escaped. You think that peoples would be at least investigated? Possibly a removal of animal/licence? |
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chrish
Hatchling
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:21:23
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Originally posted by mikerichards
it doesnt take into account irresponsibility and stupidity, which is sadly quite abundant, even with hots.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mike, even if you have a council that requires a seperate escape proof room etc, somebody could easily put on a front to convince people they are capable but whos to say they wont act irresponsibly as soon as they've got their licence?
You've also got the issue of people who hold these animals illegally, im sure i saw a video somewhere of some guy bragging about having "balls of steel" because he had a DWA scorpion on his hand.
As sta~ple said, theres only got to be one idiot who does something stupid before theres uproar about keeping species like this and at that point where will people draw the line between whats dangerous and non dangerous? If you take FWC's for example, even though they're not dwa i should imagine a good chew from an adult would have the facility to give somebody a nasty reaction? |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:25:07
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| I think someones boa escaped here, it was in a residential area and I cant remember when it was but I think the Police shot it. I wouldn't freak out if a snake appeared in my house as long as my dog was nowhere near, but I dont fear snakes. I can see where peoples worries would comefrom but surely a quick talk with the owner would put you at ease that they know what they're doing. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:29:32
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| Oh here is Northern Ireland. Police shoot animals posing a danger, they've shot dogs in parks too. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/10/2010 : 19:48:34
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Originally posted by chrish
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Originally posted by mikerichards
it doesnt take into account irresponsibility and stupidity, which is sadly quite abundant, even with hots.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there mike, even if you have a council that requires a seperate escape proof room etc, somebody could easily put on a front to convince people they are capable but whos to say they wont act irresponsibly as soon as they've got their licence?
You've also got the issue of people who hold these animals illegally, im sure i saw a video somewhere of some guy bragging about having "balls of steel" because he had a DWA scorpion on his hand.
As sta~ple said, theres only got to be one idiot who does something stupid before theres uproar about keeping species like this and at that point where will people draw the line between whats dangerous and non dangerous? If you take FWC's for example, even though they're not dwa i should imagine a good chew from an adult would have the facility to give somebody a nasty reaction?
you are right, people who do that are plain stupid, they are playing with their own lives.
Most of time, people being that stupid are doing it out of ignorance, had they been tagged by something like a cobra, even an adder, let alone a scorpion, which i have been assured is incredibly painful, they would have a new found respect for the capability of those animals.
Personally i have been bitten by an adder, what i was doing probably would be classed as being stupid, because of the risk, but i was aware of that, and aware of what they were capable of doing, i did it anyway, and purely because i wasnt giving it 100% of my attention, i got bitten, only one fang, on the end of my finger, the snake was about 5 inches long, which is the main contributing factor to being bitten, but none the less, it hurt, my finger swelled quite quickly, and then my hand, fortunately it went no further, but i can promise you, lesson learnt, i use a stick now! lol
The problem is, people dont understand what the venom does, and how a normally docile, gentle animal can suddenly be totally unpredictable and cause a lot of damage. Holding a scorpion on the palm of your hand, you would have absolutely no chance of avoiding envenomation, they are simply too quick, same for nearly all venemous animals.
The short version of what i have written, is stupid people are everywhere, they will always ruin it for the people who do it properly. i think i am rambling now, i will stop!! |
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