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dizzie85
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 27/10/2010 : 21:37:55
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As you know I wanted a second snake.
Well I have my second arrival hatchling carolina brown with striking Orange marks on her too(she is beautiful).
She is coming from the same person who I brough Charlie from. Now I'm happy to house seperate BUT she has said I could house them together (male female) not a problem as they are still both Hatchlings, Charlie is a month older.
I know theres a LOT of debate about cohabiting! I'd prefer the facts?
The breeder said as long as I never fed them together or in the viv they would be just fine together.
Your opinions please? If I did decide to intrduce them would it be now when they were babies, give the new one time to accustom to being in a new home first and what would be the very first signs it was causing stress to one or the other snake?
I am not keen on bringing her home tomorrow and putting her straight in with Charlie so she does have a seperate setup. Simply because Charlie is handled daily and having a new snake in with one thats just used to us having us go in distubb daily would undoubtedly cause more harm than good.
All opinions to make up my mind would be greatly apprechiated!! |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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dizzie85
Hatchling
United Kingdom
242 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2010 : 22:14:57
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| Thanks for that didnt see the pics as they have been removed but I get the idea hatchlings sharing isnt a good idea! Charlie is still counted as a hatcling and I do have a seperate set up for the new one.. but for futures reference? Could I house them?? Wow I didnt realise they would try to eat themselves! thats not anything I found online and I do google before asking on here! Not a chance Im happy to take... But addvice on as they grow the possibilities? |
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2010 : 22:19:44
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Ok, I'll try to keep opinions to myself. Risks: Early breeding and stress to one or both snakes. People on here do it successfully but their are obviously many stories/pictures on the internet of when this goes wrong. Its down to personal preference or opinion. Im not certain but I believe signs include, "cuddling" aka sitting on top of each other/competion for space, and one or both refusing to feed. Id suggest doing some research into it using pure facts, but I have been told that it is most likely to be a problem as hatchlings, not sure how true this is either. I hope I helped you. Im trying to be careful and hold back on opinions because most people can tell you that I am VERY strongly opinionated! :P
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dizzie85
Hatchling
United Kingdom
242 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2010 : 22:25:10
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I Just want to do the right thing, I can house both seperately not a problem, so I asked on the provision of things I should look out for if it didnt work but to know that they could eat themselves... Im not prepared to take that risk!
Will still look into futusristic possibilities of sharing but again based on facts and when I think I know all there is to know. I wont risk their health trying it till I know everything! Until then I have adequete to house seperately!! U guys are amazing and without your opinions I may of put them in together never knowing the risks! google just doesnt spell it out!!!
Charlies thriving and dont want to jeapordise that whilst I know some snakes share well, I know others dont so I asked what to look out for never realising the consequences of when they dont!! |
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2010 : 22:40:07
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I think once they are adults they usually share a lot better, I THINK. But its certainly not for me, Im not much of a risk taker, esp when it could involve the risks of damaging an animals health or even causing their death. Its good that you did research though before doing it, I am a bit of a research nut and it makes me angry when people are too lazy to look, esp with something so big. Good luck with your snakes in the future, and I hope you come to the right decision for you when they grow. :)
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/10/2010 : 08:04:31
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same-sex cohabiting is less stressful (as adults) and better if they're female.
a female will be harassed by a male pretty much all year round if they share an enclosure, and 2 males might fight if they share and they get a whiff of a girl!
i DO cohabit a pair of females but have the equipment spare to split them at the drop of a hat should one be stressed or become ill. it IS risky and, as an experienced keeper for many years, i should pick up on problems quickly - something an inexperienced keeper might miss.
i definitely wouldn't cohabit anything younger than 3 years old, even females in case they've been sexed incorrectly - yes even specialist shops with fantastic reputations can get sexing wrong!!! |
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Katie.Dublin
Sub Adult
Ireland
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Posted - 28/10/2010 : 08:43:46
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| I did it to great success. Female is older by a few months though. |
     
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dizzie85
Hatchling
United Kingdom
242 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2010 : 11:14:10
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Thanks for your input. I've set another lil tank up for the new addition again within the big viv.... I've put both tanks half on the heatpad each. (its a big heatpad) I do have a spare heatpad but only one thermostat so figured it best they go half each on it as the other half was always free anyway. Guess I best get saving for another big viv setup then for when she grows up as I've decided against housing together, not worth the risk, specially as they are male/Female.
The one I have is 3foot I wonder how would I go about putting in a divider which would then work perfect for a little while longer when they have outgrown their baby tanks until eventually I know I will need to buy another big 3foot one.
Second tanks all setup and I've only gone and forgotten to buy another hide and water bowl ... arrgh was concerntrating too much on decorations!! Not enough time to go back out and get before "matilda" gets here so will have to make do with some tubes from tin foil and a hatchling water bowl until I get back out to get! Excited now :D "matilda" will be here at 5pm :D. ,,, my 7year old named her lol |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/10/2010 : 13:03:54
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Originally posted by dizzie85
Thanks for your input. I've set another lil tank up for the new addition again within the big viv.... I've put both tanks half on the heatpad each. (its a big heatpad) I do have a spare heatpad but only one thermostat so figured it best they go half each on it as the other half was always free anyway......
Best way to go, I have done the same thing with a couple of my vivs/tanks
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Originally posted by dizzie85
The one I have is 3foot I wonder how would I go about putting in a divider which would then work perfect for a little while longer when they have outgrown their baby tanks until eventually I know I will need to buy another big 3foot one.........
Divider like in this thread: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12590
Which I somehow completely missed when I first saw it. 
Might be worth asking how the divider was done, make it a bit easier for you then. |
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2010 : 18:10:50
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Hi,its is a personal preference but I myself am getting another hatchling tomorrow. I've divided a 3 foot viv for them and I'm no diy genius lol!.
If you do just make sure theres no gaps they can get through,I used some felt on the inside of the glass doors to seal the gap and also put some on the outer edge of the dividing wood as there was a slight gap between it and the glass doors (didn't want any craft visiting going on!) Loki moved in on Sunday and he's been fine (not doing much though as he's in blue). Once they are too big they'll go in seperate vivs.
Love the name Matilda,so pretty |
      
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2010 : 18:12:31
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Just realised thats my viv on the thread.....Doh!! |
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dizzie85
Hatchling
United Kingdom
242 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2010 : 18:55:18
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| Pmsl! I'll have me a go for sure at trying a divide then when there out of the tanks. Im surprised Matilda is meant to be younger yet she is thicker than Charlie she looks smaller but thicker Even her tail is much thicker! She ate today apparently but she came in a transporting tub so couldnt very well keep her in it so put her into her tank and she has perched on a plant at the top! Is that ok,,, Charlie goes and lies in a hide in the warmest part ontop of the heatpad when he has eaten. shes probably at the coolest being right at the top of the tank! She's absoloutely stunning though!!! Cant wait till she has settled to get her out and see how she handles and get pics :D |
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