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Katie.Dublin
Sub Adult
Ireland
1560 Posts |
 Posted - 09/11/2010 : 01:05:49
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| I love this thread! I like reading people's opinions because i cohabit two of mine to great success! As disheartening as it is to see so many people with cons, there are a few positive stories here and there which are good! |
     
0.1 normal (Miami) - Hugo
0.1 hypo Motley - Spunky
0.1 MBK - Tequila. RIP
Horses, bearded dragons, a red tailed boa constrictor, a tortoise, a cat and a dog |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 08:36:28
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as i'm sure i've said several (or many!) pages ago, i cohabit some of mine but there's a big 'BUT' (and people that know me - please don't comment on my butt this is a cohabiting thread  lmao)
but NOT:
hatchies
anything under breeding size/age (even same sex)
different sized snakes
different species
any snake that is ill or stressed
breedable males in breeding season if there's a female around
and IMO if you cohabit you MUST:
carefully monitor the snakes
be able to recognise signs of stress
be able to split them up immediately and have the equipment to safely do so
feed them separately
expect vet bills to double if one snake is ill
provide a big enough enclosure with at least a hide each in either end for each snake
i currently cohabit 2 proven (been bred from) females and have enough spare vivs/RUBs and equipment to have a stand at an IHS show. i also have the experience to recognise signs of stress and know both snakes' 'normal' behaviour.
after being used for breeding i re-introduced 2 males that previously cohabitted with no problems, only to find they no longer tolerated each other so they had to be split up for their own safety.
a good friend of mine HAS found one of her snakes eaten by another (its future mate!) the eaten snake was regurged dead but the hungry snake survived.......it's NOT just scaremongering or internet rubbish, it's a REAL RISK. |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
Location:Leeds/York/Selby area |
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lee2308
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
3348 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 11:59:40
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Originally posted by gingerpony
(and people that know me - please don't comment on my butt this is a cohabiting thread lmao)
As if we would,well not publicly,only in pm's |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 16:49:38
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
I mentioned in a thread elsewhere that I have a near 4ft boa, and 18inch (ish) boa and a 18 inch (ish) kingsnake all inside a 4ft viv.
I've also mentioned in this thread about me co-habiting in the past and no one picked on me.
May I be the first then- I think that is a ridiculous risk to take. I'm actually a bit shocked.... not only 2 different species but large size differences too?
With regard to mods cohabiting purely corns, and no-one "picking" on them, mods are generally experienced enough to carry this out appropriately, whereas someone who has just popped down the shops, got 2 hatchlings as their first snakes and stuck them in a tan together, is not.
I also think that some members are maybe a little put off about challenging mods over things. some of you can be extremely rude, defensive and arrogant about certain topics.
Anyway, I'm back off to the "darkside" now- its far more friendly, open minded and helpful over there. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Kazerella
The Corn Snake Admin
United Kingdom
3093 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 17:35:37
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I think he was joking Sexybear (I think  ) |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 17:39:26
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Originally posted by Kazerella
I think he was joking Sexybear (I think )
Ohhh right, I hope so!! Apologies Kehhlyr if it was a joke but will leave up my statements so people can see I'm not backtracking  |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 20:11:25
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
quote:
Originally posted by Kehhlyr
I mentioned in a thread elsewhere that I have a near 4ft boa, and 18inch (ish) boa and a 18 inch (ish) kingsnake all inside a 4ft viv.
I've also mentioned in this thread about me co-habiting in the past and no one picked on me.
May I be the first then- I think that is a ridiculous risk to take. I'm actually a bit shocked.... not only 2 different species but large size differences too?.......
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Originally posted by Kazerella
I think he was joking Sexybear (I think )
Actually not joking, I was trying to prove a point, that I think I did.
They are all inside the viv, however the large boa has free roam in the viv, the other 2 are inside suitable sized tubs on a shelf in the viv.
It has now been 3 times (i think) that I posted the info about that combo and I've come to the conclusion that; (a) A vast amount of people don't read anything anymore, (b) Very few people will question anything for clarification either.
There's a lot of that about as well, if you're unsure of something or require clarification, then ask. SexyBear77 has been the only person to have ever questioned or asked for clarification (albeit not quite asking) on something that seems hypocritical/idiotic when first reading something. So well done Sexybear. 
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Although in all fairness I could've said exactly HOW I had these setup, but the fun of seeing who would actually read the posts properly before responding was to great an opportunity to pass up.
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2010 : 20:38:47
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^ Seen it a fair few times, I just kinda assumed the viv was partitioned since on cam I have never seen any of your snakes in the same viv in such a way they can get at each other. Plus I've seen petshop do the whole tub within viv thing many a time.
I have to disagree with the breeding season thing, I know corns are more prone to breeding in some seasons than others but snakes can bred at any time of year :p Mine when they were together for 7/8 years tried in every season. Male tried to get it on quite a bit in winter. |
  
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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Posted - 14/11/2010 : 22:35:17
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| i have been wondering the same thing, i was wondering if i could keep 2 baby corns together, they are each about 11 inches long and from the same brood. i have a 40 gallon long viv |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 22:39:20
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Originally posted by elicastro3000
i have been wondering the same thing, i was wondering if i could keep 2 baby corns together, they are each about 11 inches long and from the same brood. i have a 40 gallon long viv
No to babies living together.
Young corns can and have been known to eat their cagemates. If sexes aren't assured it can also lead to premature breeding, which can result in a sick eggbinding or death in the female, and hemipene prolapse in the male. If one snake regurgitates it is nigh on impossible to tell which one it was, parasites and illnesses can be over easy peasy, and it can lead to competition and stress. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 23:31:04
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I know you can say this is due to the snakes having recently been fed and the owner being clueless but to me its a damn good reason not to have your snakes housed together. Just not worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRYt9oitG4&feature=related |
      
3.1.0 Corn snakes, 1.0.0 T-Albino Cape House Snake, 0.1.0 Western Hognose,
1.0.0 MBK, 0.1.0 Childrens Python, 1.0.0 Nicaraguan Dwarf Boas
0.0.1 Occelated Skink, 1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, 1.0.3 Tarantulas, 0.0.2 Damon diadema
1.0.0 C0ckatiel,
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tehbunneh
Hatchling
United Kingdom
390 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 10:01:15
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In that incident, it looks like they are being fed together, not having 'just eaten'. At one stage you can see the back end of the mouse of the one that is bitten. Funny how the guy then proceeds to continue filming, rather then try and stop the biting x.x Its people like this that give co-habiting such a bad reputation, for doing such stupid things with the snakes in question.
As for the whole separate species in sizes in the vivarium, what SexyBear says is right; people are too scared to say against what mods are doing - they are a) people that a lot of us trust to give us good advice, and b) people that a lot of us wouldn't dream of saying otherwise to because we are worried about the consequences, seeing some of the arguments that have flaired up over some of the silliest of differing methods in other threads between mods and other individuals here who are as experienced. That's just my opinion, y'know, but I can see exactly why a lot of individuals would read that and then stay silent. Who wants to get a warning because they would say otherwise ^^'' |
EMZ - WORCESTER, UK
3.2.0 Corn Snakes
Conan (CB09 Carolina); Ripley (CB09 Ghost); Widget (CB09 Hypo Pewter); Dexter (CB10 Granite); Boa'tata (CB10 Bloodred)
0.1.0 Taiwanese Beauty
Taiki (CB11)
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
Tanis (CB10)
0.0.1 Amazon Tree Boa
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 12:00:37
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Ooh,missed that bit!! I thought the same about him carrying on filming instead of seperating them....idiot!! But theres a lot of people like that and being told its ok to cohabit them makes you wonder how many more people are doing what he did?
I get you on the last bit too. I'll never have my snakes together after seeing some of the horror stories/pics. Being able to split them up immediately etc only works if you are there at the right time. What if you're out or asleep when something happens?!
Excuse me if I sound like a worry wart! |
3.1.0 Corn snakes, 1.0.0 T-Albino Cape House Snake, 0.1.0 Western Hognose,
1.0.0 MBK, 0.1.0 Childrens Python, 1.0.0 Nicaraguan Dwarf Boas
0.0.1 Occelated Skink, 1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, 1.0.3 Tarantulas, 0.0.2 Damon diadema
1.0.0 C0ckatiel,
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Kazerella
The Corn Snake Admin
United Kingdom
3093 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 09:24:02
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Originally posted by tehbunneh
That's just my opinion, y'know, but I can see exactly why a lot of individuals would read that and then stay silent. Who wants to get a warning because they would say otherwise ^^''
Not sure what you mean Tehbunneh. As far as I'm aware NO ONE has ever had a official warning simply for disagreeing with a mod. It's a forum- people are allowed to have conflicting opinions.
The only warnings I know about are people making nasty comments aimed at other members, for bad language in posts or spamming the board with pornography/inappropriate links etc.
Basically breaking the forum rules:http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4941 |
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
507 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 09:48:16
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I reckon there are a lot more members on here that co-habit and are too scared to mention it in case other members abuse them. But i certainly dont think that mods and admins have ever been abusive since i been here.
As some of you already know, i co-habit and i have to agree with what has been said about feeding. In that vid, it looks like they have been fed together or at least thrown back in seconds after. I feed mine separately and keep them separate for at least 2 hours after feeding. (And this wasnt a line in for a slating of me lol).
Sul |
   
1.0 Corns Geoff (Ghost)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa - Heidi
1.1 Kings - Pete (Florida) + Mamba (Cali Stripe)
1.2 Ball Pythons (Pastel + Bumblebee + Normal)
Location : Warrington, Cheshire |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 11:35:50
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Originally posted by tehbunneh
what SexyBear says is right; people are too scared to say against what mods are doing - they are a) people that a lot of us trust to give us good advice...
er..........I'm a Mod and i cohabit................ |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
Location:Leeds/York/Selby area |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 14:20:54
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Originally posted by sullysteve
I reckon there are a lot more members on here that co-habit and are too scared to mention it in case other members abuse them. But i certainly dont think that mods and admins have ever been abusive since i been here.
Yes. I know when I joined that I didn't dare say I hadn't had a proper stat for about 8 years of snake keeping I co-habited all that time. And that there was no "cool end"
I haven't got the room for a big viv that 2 or more adults would need to live together in a stress free way, so it's easier for me and more space saving to have smaller viv's stacked. I know corns don't really need that great deal of room but I think that sometimes that people forget that if you co-habit, you need viv space for each of the snakes in there, not just the one. |
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 17:35:23
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There's a massive difference to sensibly co-habiting and doing it daft.
Although I did co-habit, I don't now. That's not to say that I could possibly again in the future, yet I'm am an advocat for individually housed snakes due to the risks that are there if people are unsure how to deal with things.
Co-habiting is something I would say if it is done, is better when people have more experience with snakes and reptiles in general, rather than blindly stumbling in.
Saying that though, there are a lot of people who do co-habit because the rep-shop has said it's ok, they have no idea of the risks because many get snakes fairly spur of the moment, and in which case no one would ever get a 'telling off' for doing it.
Likewise we wouldn't dish out a warning because something has been questioned either, there is a massive difference between questioning something than giving abuse.
How would people learn things without questioning??? |
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
507 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 17:48:34
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
There's a massive difference to sensibly co-habiting and doing it daft.
Although I did co-habit, I don't now. That's not to say that I could possibly again in the future, yet I'm am an advocat for individually housed snakes due to the risks that are there if people are unsure how to deal with things.
Co-habiting is something I would say if it is done, is better when people have more experience with snakes and reptiles in general, rather than blindly stumbling in.
Saying that though, there are a lot of people who do co-habit because the rep-shop has said it's ok, they have no idea of the risks because many get snakes fairly spur of the moment, and in which case no one would ever get a 'telling off' for doing it.
Likewise we wouldn't dish out a warning because something has been questioned either, there is a massive difference between questioning something than giving abuse.
How would people learn things without questioning???
there is something, somewhat sensible in you sometime kehhlyr  |
1.0 Corns Geoff (Ghost)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa - Heidi
1.1 Kings - Pete (Florida) + Mamba (Cali Stripe)
1.2 Ball Pythons (Pastel + Bumblebee + Normal)
Location : Warrington, Cheshire |
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Tiffany-x
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1189 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 18:52:42
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I know exactly what you mean, that was for once a very serious speech from him! Very unlike you hun, but too true. I love this forum and I dunno what I would of done without it. :)
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advice on sharing a viv
