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| Sta~ple |
Posted - 21/06/2010 : 21:18:00
I have a male normal and a female anery, unknown hets. The shoelaces that came out of the eggs were normal and anery.
Would this mean that the male is het anery due to anery being recessive to normal? |
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| Sta~ple |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 18:18:17
Thanks you both of you :) It probably just is one of those strange things that just happened when they were developing.
One guy who has one of the baby anerys with belly marks will be breading his snake when the time comes so I guess the mystery belly could appear then. He has asked me if my baby anery I klept is male if I would mind breading it with one of his females although he knows it's not guarteened so maybe I will find out the answer eventually. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 18:08:44
Nothing is definite if you DO know what the hets are! |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 18:08:10
Nothing is definate if you dont know what the hets are, its taking a chance that the belly anomaly is a marker for a hidden het. i t might mean just that its got a funky belly, so you get babies with a funky bellies. it might mean its het for wonderful and you get some wonderful babies, who knows, its never an exact science. |
| DannyBrown91 |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 15:57:22
But it isn't deffinite that the babies will be carrying it so even breeding them back to the mother could still only get you Aneries and normals. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 14:17:47
breeding the babies together and back to the parents is far more common that most people think, line breeding is the way genetics are proved and solidified.
Breeding two babies together that show a specific pattern anomaly is just guess work, nothing more, its taking a chance that those 2 babies are carrying whtaever hidden het the parent is carrying.
So if both babies are carrying that gene, then bringing the 2 recessives together, means you get visuals out in the babies. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 11:34:58
I know but I would rather not do it unless I knew how far back it goes. If people knew the snakes were closely related and then say "once won't hurt" and then the next and the the next etc before the mutants hatch out the eggs :p plus in my opionion it lazy if you keep doing it over and over again but that's just me.
You'll have to excuse me I am very blond *_* but would breeding the babies togther tell me which of the orgional adults were carry that gene though? I'm guess if I bred the babies back to the parents that the baby and the parent that carried the gene would make most of the new babies have the patturnless-ish belly?
I don't suppose the missing belly marks could have something to do with incubation tempetaures could it? I would have thought if it was most of them would have hatched with the same belly of other werid markings or deformanties. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 11:18:48
In breeding is not nearly as bad with snakes, you can breed many generations and not have a problem. Breeding 2 babies together that carry the markers is what I would do. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 11:08:25
Indeed. I'm also thinking amel if possible as well as the petshops only used to sell snows, anerys, normals and amels which all probably came from a very short list of breeders but what you have suggested is probably more likely to be hontest since she is female and if she had any hets I'm guessing the breeder would have kept her sold her to another breeder probabaly.
Indeed. I'm also thinking amel if possible as well as the petshops only used to sell snows, anerys, normals and amels which all probably came from a very short list of breeders but what you have suggested is probably more likely to be hontest since she is female and if she had any hets I'm guessing the breeder would have kept her sold her to another breeder probabaly.
Edit: Thanks for the suggestion Mike but I have no idea what sex the little ones I kept are and I'm not a fan of in-breeding purely because I don't 100% know if the two adults are related closely or not already and then if there parents were and ect, If I knew for definate that they weren't then I would consider it. plus I think that both the parents maybe a bit too old really for breeding now. I did keep 2 that had the belly marks though and I know someone who has one of the snakes from the clutch that is male but it has a fully checkered belly. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 11:05:10
You can keep a male from the clutch and put it back to her in 18 months time, but, that male would also have to carry that gene, so you would want to keep the one that you think may carry it, maybe it shows similar markers.
You can breed a female back to the male also, but is a longer process as you should wait the 3 years.
The reason it says anery anery and amel amel is probably because each off those traits comes from each parent, and each parent carries 2 traits minimum, so either normal and anery, which Is a het, or both anery in which case its a visual. |
| DannyBrown91 |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 10:52:17
quote:
Originally posted by Sta~ple
What could I breed the female anery with to see if she is het for anything?
Basically every single trait morph and see what results you get. Although since you got her 8/9 years ago there will be a few you could rule out.
It could just be that her parents where Anery x Anery or Normal het Anery x Anery in which case she wouldn't have hets. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 10:42:22
Wow I just realised I bummed up the topic title :/
Ok thanks for that ^^ I was looking at all the calaculators and it was confusing meand there were some things saying anery, anery and amel, amel. Thanks for that guys though. What could I breed the female anery with to see if she is het for anything? I wish I knew which one was carrying the reduced belly checkers though but I guess I wouldn't be able to tell unless I bred them with different partners. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 22/06/2010 : 06:45:29
As danny said, all normals are het anery, all anerys are just that.
A snake is only a het if its only carrying one half of the genetic pairing, if its carrying both, its a visual, so cannot be a visual and a het for the same thing.
When its carrying more than one genetic trait, ie, anery, amel, and motley, you can have a snake which is a visual and a het, so anery het amel motley, or even motley het anery amel, which would be het for snow. 2 hets that result in a specific morph, as amel and anery result in snow, it should be called double het snow, but for ease and lazyness is commonly just called het for snow.
A true het for snow would be an amel het anery or an anery het amel! |
| DannyBrown91 |
Posted - 21/06/2010 : 23:30:52
The babies will be Anery and normal het anery. There is a possibility that venom could also have other hets aswell unless his parents were normal and Anery.
From the pairing you can't tell what Chars hets are if there is any that is. |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 21/06/2010 : 22:35:15
Awwww yay I know Mr.Venoms genes! I guess that means the babies would be normals het anery then or anery het anery then if that's possible?
Don't suppose you know what genes the female could be by any chance? The most likely I'm guessing is something like anery het anery or maybe amel or any other corns that were more common and cheap 7/8 years ago. |
| eeji |
Posted - 21/06/2010 : 22:20:59
yup, thats correct :) |
