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| Gemsyork |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 10:25:44
I have been to look at 2 creamsicles in the last few days and I am sad to say they are both very poorly, I have been shown by a breeder how to pump a snakes lung this person showed me on one she was selling for a friend I was interested but he was ill on pumping the lung he had 2 tiny bubbles of slobber which is a sign of a cold so we gave him a miss I then found another one online we traveled over 50 miles to go and see him he was a stunning creamsicle but on pumping his lung I managed 6 inch and it was like a fountain of gunk so I dread to think how bad it would have been if i had done its whole lung.
It is a virus they have that is spread by poo and slobber, I had to come in clothes straight in the wash and shower to get the virus off me and my son.
I will be checking all my snakes for it on a regular basis.
I have posted this so you can all be aware that although the snake looked healthy and well he was very ill it can proove fatal if not treated correctly don't rush into buying a snake always do the checks. |
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| lotabob |
Posted - 20/11/2010 : 16:09:44
Thanks for that, confirmed what appeared blatantly obvious. Never squeeze your amimals! It's amazing how many wrong practices are been used, corn snakes are unusual but not so unusual that there is no idea how to care for them. Everyone on this site should write a definitive guide to care covering everything, expel all myths. |
| lucyloop |
Posted - 19/11/2010 : 19:31:09
Like a "definately do, can do if you prefer & never ever do under any circumstances" list? |
| lotabob |
Posted - 19/11/2010 : 16:03:21
I mean to concentrate down all the stickies on here into one guide with all safe variations and definite no no's etc. |
| tehbunneh |
Posted - 19/11/2010 : 14:16:03
Saying that, though, there are a lot of people who do things differently, so even a definitive care sheet (which there sort of is in the main bit of this site), there are going to be individuals on this site that will do things slightly differently because their experience will say otherwise to that which the care sheet says ^^
Though, in this case, I do agree o.o Lung pumping sounds a bit extreme, especially when you consider all that is about that area of a snake! |
| lotabob |
Posted - 19/11/2010 : 13:14:03
Thanks for that, confirmed what appeared blatantly obvious. Never squeeze your amimals! It's amazing how many wrong practices are been used, corn snakes are unusual but not so unusual that there is no idea how to care for them. Everyone on this site should write a definitive guide to care covering everything, expel all myths. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 19/11/2010 : 09:51:24
I have spoken to a rep vet about this, the whole lung pump thing is dangerous and not recommended at all. Dont do it. |
| lotabob |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 21:30:50
Again not having a dig re lung pump, just never heard of such a procedure and thought it highly dangerous to squeeze a snake anywhere let alone on it only working lung so close to the heart etc. I've googled it too (doesn't everyone google) and found nothing on it either and wondered if its just maybe localised misinformation. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 20:27:03
The only way you will find out whats causing the RI is to get the vet to swab it and send it to a vetlab for analysis, anything else is unsubstantiated conjecture, and probably wrong.
I think you will also find that RI's are bacterial infections, not viral. Not to say a virus couldnt cause symptoms indicative of an RI, but then RI type symptoms are quite common with snakes infected with IBD.
Personally, i think the whole Lung Pumping thing is a bad idea, i am fairly certain that if it was a certain way of diagnosing and not causing the snake catastrophic damage, then it would be widely used.
22 years and i havent heard of it being done before. |
| tehbunneh |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 19:07:02
I think the main issue here is the mis-diagnosis of whether it is a virus, a bacterial infection or a fungal infection. All are VERY different, and to misrepresent an illness as one (which it seems it was to you Gem - not saying you did the misdiagnosing!!), which in fact it is not can be really scary for anyone who reads this, new or old to the world of snakes!
You are probably aware of the differences between viruses, BIs and FIs, and that should explain why Kehklyr and eeji reacted the way they did - to hear a 'virus' which is new to them is out and about in snake populations is scary to even the most experienced of people. Viruses are REALLY bad things, which mutate quickly and are fatal a lot of the time, in all animals, including humans. BIs and FIs are treatable almost every time, don't mutate so fast, so strains can be cured pretty fast before they mutate out of control; so long as the right treatment is given as soon as it is spotted, there isn't much to worry about in terms of BIs and FIs. I know it was only a small thing to you to call it a virus rather then a BI, which it actually seems to be, but I think that is where all this panic and crossing wires occurred!
Gem, do you know more on what this RI is now that the snake has been taken to a vet? Any clue on what the bacteria is that is causing these RIs that are so severe? Could it just have been that the snake was not identified as being ill for a long time, letting the infection fester, rather then be treated quickly and efficiently? I think what you are doing is commendable; if there is a new strain of RI bacterium that are causing a lot of RIs, people are going to appreciate being told ^^ Just calm down and take a look at what you write - there are always going to be some people that are going to accidentally read things differently to how the writer intended, its just common knowledge of the internet writing phenomenon, lol! Just be chill ^^ |
| Kehhlyr |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 17:20:07
No probs Gems. To be honest it wasn't only you, the person who told you could've explained it a lot better than panicing you as well.
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| Gemsyork |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 15:05:48
It is also highly contagious, The way it was explained to me originally was that it was like a cold and viral it was an honest mistake on my part by the way i had worded it but I was writing it as I understood it the way it is passed I was correct on. At the end of the day all I tried to do was pass on information I had been told I thought people might want to know about it as I went to buy a snake with it and if I hadn't known how to check for it then I would have bought it into my collection and put all my snakes at risk, If i miss understood some of it as I did and I appologise I was just trying to help I am a newbie myself and have only had snakes since June thats why I paniced a bit when I heard about it, newbies to snakes should be told about it I hadn't got a clue about it till last week.
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| Kehhlyr |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 14:51:31
quote:
Originally posted by Gemsyork
The snake has been to the vets and is very ill with an RI.............
So there isn't a 'virus going around' as per your original post.
As what has been said above, no one is digging at you, it's just that the way your phrased it made it sound like 28 days later is gonna be happening with our snakes/reps.
An RI is an infection (hence why it's named that) but is not a massive issue and is only fatal if sensible treatment is not provided. |
| lucyloop |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 13:02:01
Gems, I don't think that you should give up trying to help owners as the forum is here to ask opinions and pass on advice. However, on reading your initial post you perhaps didn't explain the condition quite as thoroughly as some would have liked. Whilst I am not trying to criticise I feel that you have taken peoples comments a bit too much to heart, what you have to remember about this (and probably other) forum is that people use it as a source of information in order to make the correct decisions about their snakes and how to care for them. If there is info about illness people need to glean as much detail as possible in order to make assessments on their own animals. Maybe if you had asked if people had heard about the illness rather than warning them of it then you may have attracted a different set of responses. I hope you continue to use the forum as I have found it to be a great source of knowledge and I am sure others will agree. |
| Gemsyork |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 12:47:22
The snake has been to the vets and is very ill with an RI and oh its passed by poo, and slobber and as far as they know is not airborn.
Pumping the lung causes no harm to the snake and is the only way to test for the fluid on the lung. Its the last time I will be trying to help people by telling them there is an illness going round I have helped 1 snake owner save their snake thats good enough for me. |
| lotabob |
Posted - 18/11/2010 : 00:27:59
Lung pumping is a new term for me in any animal. It sounds like by running a thumb down the lung you are deflating it, forcing the air out, is this right? If this is right surely there is a real risk of injuring the snake if you are putting enough pressure on the snake to affect internal organs such as the heart located near by and the lung itself, not to mention the ribs. (Not taking issue with the practice yet, just questioning its use vs the risks). |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 17/11/2010 : 23:31:39
I must admit because I am nosey, I would like to find out more from a reliable source, because it does sound like it's quite a bad thing. Is this Virus actually different from an RI or not? As It just seems like an RI to me and seems more like it now because of the links you posted but your first post makes it seem different specially since RI's can be air transmitted and I've never heard of R.I poop.
Pumping lung does sound like a scary term as well, I had visions of someone injecting a needle into a snake and sort of draining slobber away or re-inflating a snake lung XD I've ever heard of this Tehran so I am interested to know more, don't think I could ever dare do it myself! Do you like massage the gunk out or something till it comes out the mouth? |
| eeji |
Posted - 17/11/2010 : 22:06:06
why are you getting the hump? Fair enough there may be lots of ill snakes around, but there is no evidence whatsoever of a virus and posts like that do nothing but scare newcomers and people who take forum information as gospel. |
| a33272 |
Posted - 17/11/2010 : 21:56:05
people arnt saying they know better there just asking for more info, about what your saying
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| Gemsyork |
Posted - 17/11/2010 : 21:23:21
You run a thumb down the lung of the snake
A friend of mine has got a snake with it and is having it at the vets tomorrow we will see how they get on and what is said.
At the end of the day I was just posting on here that there is alot of ill snakes at the minute I won't bother in future oh and they were just the first posts i found about it.
Why do people on here always think they know better?
Its the last time I will bother posting on here |
| lotabob |
Posted - 16/11/2010 : 21:02:31
LUNG PUMPING??? Not that I'm ever planning on doing anything of the sort, what do you mean? |
