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| chrisc |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 14:09:28
not sure how many of you lot are dog lovers but in sure you know about the problem with backyard breeding of staffies that end up in rescue centers or worse put to sleep in large numbers so you may be interested in signing this petition
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14592 |
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| Sta~ple |
Posted - 21/11/2011 : 10:43:14
I know it doesn't work, 100% but it dos make it harder, just seems to punish the people who go about it the right way though.
I don't see why they neutering if they need a license to own, seems silly to me as. I'm not big on my knowledge of dogs, but most dogs are only nasty with how they have been trained, which bugs me when people say all rotties are nasty as they are not, they are sweeties! |
| eeji |
Posted - 20/11/2011 : 20:43:04
licensing and rules for this and that wouldn't work because it would all just go underground. If you take APBTs as an example by law they are required to be neutered which means they should disappear within a single generation but if you know the right people I'll bet you can still buy a puppy :(
Its a real shame that bull terriers have been chosen by half wits as their tough guy look at me dog because they are so cute! |
| marc_sg |
Posted - 20/11/2011 : 20:28:45
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
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Originally posted by marc_sg
the metropolitan police want dog owners of any breed to have liscences. this may actually be a good idea and may help half the problems people face from dogs brung up by yobs as well as the breeding side
It really wouldn't, sadly. It's easy to buy an animal without a licence or proper paper work, even without the paper working having the animal is classed as illegal if you then buy it. Also with that added cost for pet owners, it means more animals are less likely to be re-homed. Unless you mean like a breeding license of which the breeder and the parent animals have to be registered with DEFRA, but then all the babies would have to be tagged and have paper work. That method is effective but not 100% as i know.
you say about the extra cost but im sure any responsible owner would pay the £20 one off fee to have the liscence. And people that have ollegal breed or dangerous dogs will get asked to provide their liscence if registered rightly will show they havent got cover for that dog. all the police would have to do is on the spot checks. i had a staff attack my dog today and the owner done nothing. i had to grab his dog and get it off of mine. the dog luckly grabbed his harness thinking it was skin and tried ripping it off. it tried that hard i had to put my hand in the dogs mouth to open its jaws. When i pulled my hand out it was covered in blood where the dog pulled so hard on mines harness it sliced all its gums up. the owner just walked off not even sorry. this is what i ment by its peoples responsibilities to raise their dog correctly mine is a staff x beagal and he was shaking with fear. their dog was lucky not to get a clump or two of me. |
| hannah2016 |
Posted - 20/11/2011 : 20:17:36
shame most dogs end up in kennels and i completly agree with having a liscences. although i dont think it would clear up that much of a problem unless they were expencive to get and had to be checked often by people/ the police and stuff. i bet people could make back the money losted on the liscences with selling just one pup. still a good idea tho |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 20/11/2011 : 19:56:37
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Originally posted by marc_sg
the metropolitan police want dog owners of any breed to have liscences. this may actually be a good idea and may help half the problems people face from dogs brung up by yobs as well as the breeding side
It really wouldn't, sadly. It's easy to buy an animal without a licence or proper paper work, even without the paper working having the animal is classed as illegal if you then buy it. Also with that added cost for pet owners, it means more animals are less likely to be re-homed. Unless you mean like a breeding license of which the breeder and the parent animals have to be registered with DEFRA, but then all the babies would have to be tagged and have paper work. That method is effective but not 100% as I know.
I am with Eeji, so many animals are being bread and then get put into rescue centers or on preloved. Animals that you wouldn't expect either as their initial costs are thousands of pounds, for example, some parrots.
My boyfriends old friend and his partner breed staffies, yet the constantly hand out link for staffy dogs in their area in rehoming places that need new homes or they get pts. I don't think they have quite cottoned onto the fact it maybe some of the pups they breed one day. |
| thistle |
Posted - 20/11/2011 : 08:56:47
My chavvy neighbours keep breeding their staffies, the poor female dog (I'm presuming that the swear filter won't allow the proper name) doesn't seem to get a break. They've had at least 3 litters over the last couple of years and I heard one of them shouting to another neighbour telling her that Nike's (the male dog's) puppies are £300 for males and £350 for females. So I guess that's another litter been born recently. It's just so irresponsible. Doesn't surprise me though, these are the people that let their dogs run loose for hours out our back garden (big area shared with 36 flats) and topoopall over the grass and clothes drying areas. They even let them out when the females in season which makes the male aggressive to any other dog. My westie and shih tzu wouldn't stand a chance if he ever got hold of them, he is pure muscle.
Can't believe that they can get that price for them, especially as I know that they are not KC registered and with the amount of staffies around already, the local dog and cat home is full of them. Though I guess everyone wants cute little puppies. :-( |
| eeji |
Posted - 19/11/2011 : 21:30:42
yes its definitely worth a try and I really do hope I'm proved wrong and someone in high places does sit up, take notice, and act upon it :) |
| chrisc |
Posted - 19/11/2011 : 03:21:22
i agree this petition may not come to antyhhing but its worth a try. yes corn snakes an beardies are very common on the herp market and now fetching very low prices but this is more specilised breeding than dogs so when people realise they dont sell well they will stop breeding or not breed as much. i hope this happens though these are just my thought on it |
| eeji |
Posted - 19/11/2011 : 00:48:56
Should there also be a petition to stop people breeding amel corn snakes? because theres far more supply than demand making them almost a disposable pet, and if you look at reptile rescues most of the corns they take in are amels. I know thats a bad example, but you get the idea.
The petition is a good idea in principle but most likely will be filed and forgotten about.
I do however agree that something does need to be done, not just for staffs but for a wider range of breeds and also a wider range of species (corns included)
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| paulie78 |
Posted - 19/11/2011 : 00:20:18
I've worked in dog kennels and rescue centres over many years and unfortunately staffys are one of those breeds that do tend to get overlooked im a firm believer in that you only get out of a dog what you put into it (just like a child really) and its rare for a dog to be born naturally aggressive during my time working in kennels for every one bad tempered staffy id probably have seen a dozen or more everyday run of the mill "family pet" type breeds that were eqaully as bad though theese are never discussed in such a way that staffys are the problem in my opinion is that a lot of people go out and buy a dog based purely on looks or the image they want to put across without asessing wether they can meet that breeds needs or making themselves aware of the pitfalls of that breed then when problems occur the dog is dumped rehomed or sold and the blame laid on the dog.
I'd give my right arm for a dog but when i moved to where i am now over 6 years ago i had to consider many things and with my deteroriating health i knew long term theres no way i could commit to owning a dog and not know wether id be fit enough to walk it a few years down the line so i decided to rescue a cat instead and ended up with very very sick kittens (still not quite sure how i got conned into that lol)needless to say with a lotta blood sweat and tears i got the kittens healthy and they are both now the absolute picture of health id still give my right arm for a dog though lol
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| marc_sg |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 22:33:46
I love showing him off lol so here i go again  |
| marc_sg |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 22:23:34
I like the fact that people care so much for the staffy dogs. i have a staff x beagal and he is such a brilliant dog. loving never aggressive( scared of any thing that gets aggressive to him. and he loves the kids more then they love him. after staffys get bad press it really hurts to see such a loyal breed being brung up by sone chavs to become aggressive. the metropolitan police want dog owners of any breed to have liscences. this may actually be a good idea and may help half the problems people face from dogs brung up by yobs as well as the breeding side |
| kdlang |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 22:02:53
It breaks my heart to see the number of staffies and staffy crosses that are not only in rescue at the moment, but are also advertised on facebook groups, pets classifieds etc. However, I don't think getting a ban on breeding will help. While there is a market for backyard bred pups there will always be people prepared to breed them. The answer to the problem lies in greater regulation over breeding of all animals, stricter controls in the purchase of dogs, and a requirement of all dog owners to partake in training courses. Sadly however, that will never happen. |
| Hissyfit |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 19:08:21
I doubt this petition will do much either sadly. It's not the breeding of Staffies that has to be stopped, but the idiots breeding non pedigree Staffie types, along with the deliberate cross breeding to much larger breeds. I have a Staffy, she's a wonderful dog and a real softy with people and all animals. I'd recommend them to anyone willing to put the time in to train & socialise, you'd struggle to find a more loving breed to be honest  |
| Sta~ple |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 18:54:25
I dont like dog, I really really dislike staffies for evil and mean personal reasons but i.do hate seeing dogs and cats put down. As much as I would like the petition to do.omething I am kinda doubtful. I think people should stop breeding all cats and dogs purppsely for a while but that isnt going to happen :-( ill sign but in the mind nothing sadly will happen. Bit of a shame really tht put down unwanted amimals arent put to better use. |
| Casta |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 18:30:10
Same here. ended up getting a staff x greyhound (don't ask) coz she was in there for over a year and only 2 yr old. dunno why shes a stunning dog wi a lovely nature. |
| scottishbluebird |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 17:45:54
Done. we got the spaffy from kennels (half staffy half springer) there were like 3 other breeds and 10 staffs |
