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Jo-And-Danny Posted - 29/11/2009 : 15:37:40
From this..............



To this.............











And David Hisslehoff left us with this!.........


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SexyBear77 Posted - 29/11/2009 : 21:25:43
Competition is-
An interaction between individuals brought about by a shared need for a ‘resource’ in limited supply. Between individuals of the same species it is intraspecific.
hillzi Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:41:41
Not quite competing, which will lead to problems but yeah need the same space.
n/a Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:29:55
Oi, Hillz... i said that already! :P

haha
n/a Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:28:59
Actually, yes.

The following is taken from the site linked to... it clearly illustrates how secretive corns actually are and how unlikely you are to see them in the open out in the wild.

'Corn snakes tend to be shy and, if possible, will avoid confrontation. It has been difficult to assess the population density of corn snakes owing to their secretive nature. They prefer to remain underground for most of the year, emerging only to feed and reproduce. Corn snakes often remain beneath ground debris during the hottest weather, leaving their protected cover only in the early morning or evening.'

http://herptech.blogspot.com/2008/07/corn-snake.html
hillzi Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:26:14
Thought I'd seen it somewhere.

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6866

I disagree with co-habiting, only you benefit from it. the snakes aren't 'cuddled' up, theyr'e competing for the warmest, and coolest points.

Please read that link i posted.
Jo-And-Danny Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:25:30
Doesnt take them long to get used to to their surroundings, theyre not agrophobic in the wild are they
n/a Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:21:39

WOW! What a change from the first picture to the final result! Very well done, it's absolutely beautiful.

That said, Bio is absolutely right in everything he said here, I hope you will consider taking his advice and making the necessary changes. The current setup can be used later on when the snakes are older and larger.

A couple of questions: how is this viv ventilated? What about the gap between the two glass doors?

Again, excellent product, and once you make the necessary changes this will be a great home for your snakes.

hillzi Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:19:18
http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1070

have a look.

Can I ask how you know theyv'e left the agrophic stage?
n/a Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:15:17
Do you have digital thermometers too? Those dials are worthless and are always miles out temp wise. Also, where you have it placed will only be monitoring the air temp which is no use at all for a corn snake.

What i was saying about the hatchlings is still true, even if they do snuggle together there is always a risk that one snake will eat the other, which would leave you with at least one dead snake... two if it does not regurge in time. They are actually snuggling together because they both need to be in the same spot, be it the warm or the cool end, they are not snuggling because they are friends and love each other... that is just not how a snakes brain works.

As for the hides, corn snakes feel most secure when they are in small hides that they can curl up in and touch all the way around them, for a hatchling something the size of a coconut half is ideal... which will probably illustrate the size problems with your hides.

I am assuming the viv is 3ft as well? Also too large for a hatchling corn, unless it is really packed out with hiding places it will just cause stress to the snakes.

Personally, if it were my setup i would partition it into two seperate vivs, put the heat mat dead in the middle so it can still be used for both snakes and get them smaller hides. As nice as it currently looks it is just not hatchling appropriate.
Jo-And-Danny Posted - 29/11/2009 : 16:03:59
Its a thermometer. Theyre at the 'lets both snuggle up together under this cave' stage, and there are plenty of places for them to hide in they've left the hatchling agrophobic stage too
n/a Posted - 29/11/2009 : 15:45:22
Are they not a little small to be living together? The are still at the "it moved so it is food" stage so you could well end up with one fat snake, or no snakes at all.

It looks good, but the hides are FAR too big for hatchlings.

Also, is that a dial hygrometer on the right wall or a dial thermometer?

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